Many people over the years have been killed by muslim believers for the non-crime of blasphemy. Draw Mo Day was seen as such a large blasphemy that Pakistan blocked YouTube entirely over it. Obviously, Thunderf00t is probably in a large amount of danger due to this, especially with DawahFilms making sure that Thunderf00t's info got sent to an islamist group. Even if DawahFilms would never lift a finger himself to harm Thunderf00t, he has placed him right into the hands of those who would.
There are 3 groups of people who have strong opinions on this fight between Thunderf00t and DawahFilms. On the far and flakey left, are those who think we can all just be friends and be polite, which will magically cause all the islamic atrocities to end. On the far right, are some racists who hate muslims for being a darker shade of brown than the tan colour that is considered 'white'. In the middle, are people who see it as a humanist matter, the problems being in the horrific cultural/religious practices. I'm in the last group. I'm not a racist rightwinger, nor am I an idealistic do-nothing leftwinger.
Over at Thunderf00t's Blog, DawahFilms joined into the conversation and I issued him a challenge. Here it is:
DawahFilms, I have a challenge for you. People excuse you by saying you are a moderate, and not like those extremist violence condoners. So….He never answered me, so I then wrote:
Are you willing to speak out against all, or even any, of the following koran ordained punishments/practices?
★ the killing of people for the nonharmful, consensual, sexual ‘crimes’ of homosexuality and/or unmarried sex?
★ the forced marriages where the female’s father decides who she must ‘marry’ (=sexual slavery if she doesn’t want to but is made to)?
★ the ‘marriages’ (=rapes) of children where vaginal intercourse can happen as young as nine?
★ the condoning of anal/oral rapes of children even younger, eg newborns?
★ the lack of equal rights that all females have according to the koran?
★ the wife beatings that the koran tells husbands to do when she continues to disobey him?
★ the killing of those who have been taught about islam if they still do not believe/practice it after learning about it?
and here’s the biggie….
★ the killing of people for blasphemy, such as that which happened to Van Geogh, and which has pushed a lot of people into hiding, eg Hirsii Ali, Rushdie?
That last one is very important. We all know that Thunderf00t has committed that non-crime bigtime with his Draw Mo Day. So big was it, that Pakistan blocked YouTube altogether.
Recently, you not only contacted Thunderf00t’s workplace, but you also sent his docs to a muslim organization. How are you going to fix it if that becomes a death fatwa now that they have his name and locale?
In advance of your answers, let me tell you that I won’t accept weaselly non-answers, gish gallups, or changes of topics.
Well, Dawah, are you going to answer my challenge? It’s looking like you are avoiding it so that you won’t have to admit the truth, which is that you CONDONE and SUPPORT these atrocities. Perhaps you have even COMMITTED them.I want to mention, by the way, that I don’t care, who did what first, or about whose personality has been nicer during this fight. The future is what I’m concerned with. If this leads to a death fatwa on Thunderf00t, are the leftwingers still going to think DawahFilms is blameless? Will they say that Thunderf00t asked for it (‘it’ being death)?
Waiting…….. Your silence is giving the impression that you’re not against any of them at all. Not the murders, rapes, pedo-rapes, slavery, etc. That’s the only reason you could have for not answering.
Once a ‘blasphemer’s info is spread to islamist orgs, it then gets spread to the mullahs and imams that run them or are associated with them. The idealistic left acts as though death fatwas never get issued by these superstitious assholes and their orgs.
I suspect/hope that Thunderf00t is being protected covertly by the FBI or others. He’s a big target with Draw Mohammed Day to his name. Assholes like DawahFilms spreading around his info to islamists have endangered his life. They have a huge track record of killing those who offend them with their pretend crime called ‘blasphemy’.
In fact, the word 'dawah' means to teach us nonmuslims about islam, and according to their own bloodsoaked koran, if we don’t convert after learning about it, we are kafir and must be killed too. Does DawahFilms speak out against that one ever? You don’t even need to blaspheme to get killed for that one.
I’ll bet that DawahFilms has chickened out of my challenge to speak out against the religion’s atrocities. Let’s see. One of the questions specifically gives the situation of blasphemy such as Thunderf00t is in. Would DawahFilms speak out against what the koran says, which is to kill Thunderf00t? DawahFilms appears to have run off to avoid answering me.
Many people want to play nice with him, and it turns into a tone game. “But he’s polite, so he can’t be bad”. Yep, and if we hold hands and start singing “I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony”, world peace will happen and islamists will stop killing kafirs, raping children and enslaving women.
The flakey overboard left is just as bad as the flakey overboard right who dislike them for being brown and non-xtian rather than for being harmful. The answer is in the humanist middle where cultural harm is spoken against. There is nothing wrong or racist about being against cultural/religious practices that cause harm.
If anything happens to Thunderf00t, there will be a lot of backpedalling. All of a sudden people will be saying it’s unconnected to Thunderf00t’s fights with DawahFilms, or that they knew all along that DawahFilms was up to no good but didn’t say anything for some made-up reason, or that they really meant the opposite when they earlier said such and such, etc. It’s all fun and games until someone pokes out an eye or an internal organ. And let’s not forget the inevitable victim blamers. The ones who will partly excuse the murder with “you shouldn’t have offended him, he was provoked you know”.
Some people say that they don't like Thunderf00t's personality and that DawahFilms is such a nice guy. Yet, only one of those two is promoting a book that orders that violence be done. Therefore, it is only that one (DawahFilms) who I am asking to say publicly that it’s wrong. Not in a weaselly roundabout way, but to speak out against the actual passages that order these things in the koran.
What I want to hear should start with “the koran is wrong where it says we must do this or that”, not something weaselly like “this particular person didn’t reeeaaally do that crime enough to punish her/him”. I want to hear him say the koran is actually wrong and should never be followed regarding all the atrocious punishments and practices that I listed above.
He won’t do that though, I'll bet. If he did, he’d not be allowed back into a mosque except to face his own punishment, or at minimum being called an infidel and booted out, since he lives in North America – a non-sharia part of the world where the murder punishment is more difficult to get away with.
Even saying that he himself could never bring himself to kill a gay person or doesn’t mind blasphemers, etc, isn’t enough. He condones and promotes others who DO practice the laws in the koran, so he must speak out against any and all of those atrocious punishments/practices. No weaselling or special cases used as examples. I want the real deal, which we all know he won’t give, since it would be directly saying the koran is immorally wrong in those regards.
Some people argue that it's Thunderf00t who must speak out, against some of his fans who are of the racist rightwing. He’s not under any obligation to. It’s a side issue, since Thunderf00t’s fighting something a lot bigger than the odd people here or there who say bad words or have racist thoughts in their heads. He’s fighting the actual sticks and stones, the harms of the religion itself. Also, he’s not promoting any racist groups himself, as Pat Condell is said to do with the EDL and BNP.
The biggest obligation I see in this whole thing, is on Dawahfilms. He’s the one who IS promoting mistreatment of groups of people such as all women, all non-muslims (who his koran says can be taken as slaves if not killed), etc. Even (maybe especially) his own group, his fellow muslims, who are routinely horribly mistreated by followers of that book of hatred, the koran, the book which DawahFilms thumps.
Many ex-muslims, such as Hirsii Ali and Maryam Namazie DO speak out against the racist right, but take note: they also speak out against the flakey do-nothing left who tolerate all sorts of islamic atrocities for fear of being called racist or islamaphobes. Overboard lefties, like the ones posting over at Thunderf00t's blog and videos on DawahFilms’s side commenting about petty shit like who presents a nicer tone, or who did what first, rather then the meat of the matter, which is the attempt by DawahFilms to convert and spread his theocratically institutionalized hate, something that’s a lot worse than a racist word dropped here or there by a random rightwing nutter.
I think this has everything to do with religion and cultural practices, and that DawahFilms’s politeness is merely him using tone instead of arguments. Let’s not forget that his main purpose on YT is to evangelize and convert us to a system that is the most barbaric of all the remaining theocracies. Many on the ‘left’ seem to think we can befriend him and tame his message of hateful immoral sharia-thumping, if only we join hands and sing fucking Kumbaya or something.
I hope that those who cry ‘islamophobe’ at the drop of dislike, realize that most of themselves would be among the first killed under the koran’s inhumane laws. Again, I want to point out that this is not an issue of racism, but of horrific religious/cultural practices. There is nothing wrong with being against that.
This is not someone to coddle with “ahh, let’s all be friends”. If his religion had it’s way, I’d be dead dozens of times over for my many nonharmful ‘crimes’, and so would most of you.